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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2011 1:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

Not so much the "fault;" just the way the scene evolved, which IMO really started happening in the late '80s or so with what I think of as the 2nd generation of Deadheads/hippies (maybe 3rd generation, really, but the first that wasn't under the actual immediate shadow of the actual real hippie era.)

Remember the Hunter quote about things out front getting to be more and more sweetness and light as it got darker backstage? (From right around Brent's death.) IMO there was a distinctly semi-different culture to the late-era GD scene that has continued to evolve, more or less, in the jam band scene (from what I can tell.)

Maybe it's the difference between doing things the first time (60s/early 70s) and having roots in a continued counterculture that has evolved its own changing and yet persistent and somewhat self-conscious traditions in terms of dress, entrepreneurship, etc (late 80s-on); or between believing you might really truly change the world/start a revolution and just carving out your own space in a world you know isn't going to change a whole lot, so the kids they dance and shake their bones. (That's a whole long discussion, eh?)

I'm not saying Bad or Inauthentic, cuz I don't think that at all. But I'm guessing that's part of what folks are responding to -- the surface vibe of the jam scene (which I think is similar to the surface vibe of latter-day Dead) and how they react to or interpret that.

My younger brother, a musician, never cared for the GD in college (early 90s) in large part, he says now, cuz he wasn't attracted to the Deadhead scene at his school. It seemed, well, fuzzy and hippie-dippy and very much about being cool in a (to him) rather fatuous way ... dunno if it really WAS, but that's what his perception was. It's easy to mock that vibe as "happy hippie."

Another thing, of course, is those folks who DO like jam bands like Phish and relate to that latter-day "hippie" scene but don't care for the GD. Partly, I think, they're simply being adamant about their own era and identity, and preferring what they're accustomed to and which reads to them as more cool. I mean, if someone is 20, what are the odds they're going to be all excited by a band that was at its height when their parents were their age or less?!? If the received wisdom in their group is that "GD didn't rock it like Phish," then it takes an unusual person, at 20, to say, "Um, you're wrong." Either they're really keen on music or really open-minded (and open-eared) or just quirky ... or all three, LOL.

Anyway, babbling away ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-10-19 08:44:44

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

"then it takes an unusual person, at 20, to say, "Um, you're wrong." Either they're really keen on music or really open-minded (and open-eared) or just quirky ... or all three, LOL."

yep. I thought I was the only one at my school of thousands, then I met clementinecaboose. But he just got here and we're likely the only ones of our kind.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

Same school? No kidding!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

"But he just got here and we're likely the only ones of our kind."

hahah - sometimes I feel that way!!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'happy hippie' music?!?

feel that way more. Its likely the truth.